The Weberman Trial By 5TJT Staff

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The horrifying saga of the Nechemya Weberman trial and the guilty verdict on 59 or 60 of the consolidated counts has caught the attention of the world.

If the allegations are true, as guilty verdicts tend to indicate, and as the existence of 11 other victims too fearful to step forward indicates, then what we have here is truly sickening.

We have a 12-year-old girl that did not quite meet the standards of the community around her. The school officials refused to admit her back into the school unless her parents pre-paid for therapy—to the tune of $12,900.

And then she suffers three years of horrifying abuse at the hands of the very “therapist” that the school had required her to meet with regularly. Imagine the pain of such a girl who must endure the sickest of acts—with the knowledge that no one would believe her if she told of what was being done to her.

The Navi cries out, “Bagda Yehuda v’soaivah ne’esasa b’Yisrael!” Our schools are named after our heilege imahos and avos. And the matriarch, Mama Rachel, is crying now. Of that there is no doubt.

Our schools have handed over these precious souls to monsters for abuse. And then, when they ultimately come forward, we vilify them and their families. We exclude them from our camps and our schools.

Hakezona ya’aseh es achoseini?

And this was aided and abetted by the kehilah leadership, rachmana litzlan! The kehilah leadership! Not even a brush full of the blackest of paint could put such horrors on a canvas!

Has there ever been such a parallel in our entire history?

During the reign of Nicholas the First, y’s, in Tsarist Russia, we had something close, when he initiated the heartless conscription of precious Jewish children for 25 years in the Russian army. The kehillah leadership selected the recruits. They were from the weakest of the weak, the young boys of defenseless widows. The kehillah had hired vicious people called, “khappers” who would do the vile deeds.

It was the Bubby of Yehuda Leib Katzenelson, who best related the dark history of this time, a history that finds parallel in our very own times now too:

“First I thought that the khappers could only be Plishtim or mizera Amalek. But no, my child, to my horror, to our great shame and horror, the khappers, all of the khappers were, in fact, Yidden. Yidden mit beard un payos! And that is our greatest problem. We Jews are accustomed to attacks, lies, libels, and evil decrees from anti-Semites, yes. This has happened from the dawn of time, and such is our lot in the galus. In the past, our enemies held a cross in one hand and a knife in the other and said, “Jew! Kiss the cross or feel the blade of the knife!” and Jews preferred death rather than conversion. But now there comes Yidden, fruma Yidden, who capture children and send them off to oblivion. Such a punishment was not even listed in the most horrible curses of the toychacha. Yidden spilling the blood of their brothers! And, rachmana litzlan, the rabbanim are silent!”

Her words, so poignant and so painful, describe the fate of this dear daughter of Williamsburg as well, who suffered not once but twice! Once at the hand of her tormentor and again at the hands of our community who so abandoned her.

The horrifying reality is that all this was brought about by the existence of a so-called “Vaad HaTzniyus!” Clearly, we need to do teshuvah. We need a teshuvah so profound and deep that it should shake the very mountains that surround us.

This op-ed does not mean to question the notion of an institution that watches over tzniyus within Torah communities. The need for an oversight committee to ensure that matters between the genders do not get out of hand is established both in the Talmud, the Shulchan Aruch, as well as in the codes and laws of numerous societies and nations throughout history.

What we are questioning, however, is how this particular Vaad HaTzniyus is staffed and operated. The revelations made in this trial and by various people who have been in touch with rabbanim as to their experiences are appalling.

It seems, unfortunately, that we have allowed this institution to run amok, staffed by corrupt individuals, who have lost all sense of propriety in what types of behaviors the Torah demands of us. The Weberman case reveals the tip of the iceberg in how low we have sunk in terms of corruption, extortion, and yes, violations of arayos.

If we look into the halachic sources, the officers of these organizations must be an extension of a beis din. It is sad to say that in this Vaad HaTzniyus, there is no affiliation whatsoever with the community beis din—they are gangs of self-appointed ruffians with little or no Torah training whatsoever, who use threats and intimidations to line their own pockets or to fulfill some psychological need to exert power over others. In short, the Williamsburg community must face up to what we have allowed to develop within our midst.

We have our own home-brewed mafia.

This mafia is not represented by poskim, rabbanim, or by batei dinim. Indeed, our Torah leaders are frightened to take a stand against their excesses. We need to take steps to remedy this situation, and we need to do so now.

Firstly, we must abolish the current organizations now and disenfranchise them from any power base that we can. The Vaad HaTzniyus organizations and everyone involved in them must be directly run by batei dinim and poskim. The beis din must have oversight over every individual involved in these activities and anything said and done must have the approval of qualified poskim.

Secondly, like in other areas of halacha, the beis din should have the ability to consult with trained experts in the medical, psychological, social work, and legal fields to assist and advise in their decision as to what is proper and appropriate. Violations of hilchos yichud with a 12-year-old girl is never appropriate, notwithstanding Mr. Weberman’s horrible and incorrect misrepresentation that hilchos yichud is not a Torah violation.

Thirdly, we cannot have the chillul Hashem of forcing clients, students, or others who may have stumbled to attend “therapy sessions” with non-professionals who happen to be our own family members. Therapists should only be of the same gender as the client, and must be unrelated to the one pushing the recommendation. As Torah Jews we must make every effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Here we have what appears to be gross and wholesale “scams.” The chilul Hashem that we have all witnessed here in the past two years is of a dimension never seen in our history.

And finally, we must end the culture of punishing those who come forward. The menahelim of the schools that refused admittance to family of those who came forward must be either removed from their positions or severely warned. They must be identified and told not to do so again. We must learn the lesson of this toeivah that happened in Klal Yisrael and make sure that it never happen again.

In the early 1850’s when the great gaon and tzaddik Rav Eliyahu Shik of Grodno found out about the kehillah’s involvement in the horrible reality of khapping yiddisher kinder, he called upon everyone to “revolt and rebel against the heads of the kehilah, to tear the kahal building to shreds.” He himself ran with an axe in his hand in front of the crowd that had gathered, each man armed with an axe. Before they were stopped they had broken the iron bolts on the door of the kahal building and freed the three young men that were held there.

Our reaction must be to immediately dissolve this Vaad HaTzniyus which forced Yiddishe girls into the hands of a monster. Their names should be recorded and never again must such people be put in charge of such grave matters of responsibility. A vaad of tzniyus must only be direct representatives of choshuvah and leading poskim well respected throughout the Torah world. And no matter who it may be, which meyuchasdika person, we must never forget the holy words of Chazal, “Ein apitropus l’arayos—no one, absolutely no one can be trusted alone in matters of arayos.” v

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19 thoughts on “The Weberman Trial By 5TJT Staff

  • December 12, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Very well said!

  • December 13, 2012 at 5:42 am

    First, thank you for writing such an in-depth article on this topic.

    I was born and raised in the Hassidic community and have totally left that world. I am, what you would consider, “Off the Derech”, or to some a “goyita”.

    When I decided to leave about 6 years ago, it wasn’t that common (at least for a girl), to leave the community. Today, the amount of women who run away from the Hassidic cult is reaching numbers no-one ever dreamed of, and although those within the cult call us a “nebech”, the fact is the only nebech’s are those that are mentally and physically enslaved by this rotten, mind and life destroying cult.

    Many of my friends today where raised in modern homes, the kinda jews my former community would make fun of, in Yiddish they would be described as “zei zennin mamesh goyim” (they are literally gentiles) or “zee geit ungetien vee ah shicksa” (she dresses like a non jewish female), mind you we where commenting on women, that by all standards where dressed more modest than 99.9% of the planet.

    But what I found is that girls from modern homes are not all that rebellious, they keep shabbos, they keep kosher (no, they do not panic over how long the rabbis beard was, who gave the hechsher), they date jewish men only. But, I and the others who came from the extreme background, we keep nothing.

    The Hassidic cult becomes more and more extreme as time goes by, more rules, more madness and more hypocritical.

    It’s a sign how far jews have fallen when you think that you can live in the United States and have something like a vaad, NO vaad is good, NONE, only someone who has been hypnotized by living to long is this Boro Park/Williamsburg world can even suggest, taht a vaad is something that is a good thing.

    The problem is you are slow learners, the nasty truth will start showing up more and more, people will associate a hassidc jew with pedophilia, patronizing prostitutes, and grand larceny. You will realize that the more you dictate to others what to do, the more it will backfire.

    It is already backfiring, you are losing many many kids, when we leave we go all the way, and guess what, when I walk in a mall and I see a group of chassidishe girls, and I start talking Yiddish their eyes light up, they feel like the “mashiach” arrived, if their mom or some older hassidic dominatrix isn’t around them, they start talking to me, and never do they ask me “why I left” all they say is “I wish I can do the same thing”, many take my number, many end up calling and many end of leaving.

    And for those of you who think we are a nebech, and “oh my god, she must have such an emty life” get a grip on reality please. In short it’s called freedom, I celebrate and do things as I wish, I went to school, a normal school, and started my own business.

    While, the rest of America made sure to give women equal rights, the hassidic community turns a woman into a slave, a dirty thing, something that is used to make kids and chulent.

    The boys who left and went off the derech, almost all that I know of do very well, they are smart, motivated and most importantly happy, only someone in the hassidic cult thinks, that the rest of the world is sad.

    A while ago Saturday night (motzai shabbos), myself and several friends where shopping at a mall, two girls walk by, obviously Hassidic girls, and I proceed to tell them “A gitta voch”, they smile and proceed to come over and talk to me.

    They were both 21 years old (alte meidlach/old girls by hassidic standards), and I could relate to their pain, the real pain, they do not want to get married yet but the family is pressuring, their parents had no clue they were in the mall, they needed to lie, they wanted to go out to the city, so they asked me if I can go with them, I said yes, the problem is they must be home at a certain time or their mom will call the shomrim, the hatzallah, a rabbi and a kabbalist in Israel.

    They said that in a week or so they have a wedding to go to of a classmate; it’s a real chasidishe wedding, so it ends like 3am or later, that night is a great night for them to go to the city.

    They call me using a prepaid cell phone (something commonly used by criminals), and I pick them up from the wedding hall about 11o’clock.

    They get into the car and they ask if I can make a stop at some office building, I say, hey what’s going on? Well, one of the girls has access to the office and she keeps some pants and shorter skirts there, clothing not allowed in her house. They go in, change, and they emerge as normal looking girls, and not girls from the 1950’s. We had a great time at this beautiful lounge in NYC, they spoke to men while shaking in their boots, worrying if lighting will strike them, but nothing struck them, just reality!

    I ended up taking them back to this office, they changed back into the cultish clothing, and I dropped them off to their homes. One already left her family B’H (yes, I just said that), she’s a great girl, she will remain Jewish as she respects and loves, shabbos, and will without a doubt marry a Jew, but she wants nothing to do with this radical Hassidic movement, a movement that started 300 or so years ago, but really radicalized itself the past 100 years. Wait, so Jews until then where not really Jews as god intended them to be?

    So what is the point of this whole megilah I just wrote?

    Well, it’s designed to serve a few proposes.

    a) To educate those who do not understand the mindset, of those who leave the cult, and to reassure you that we are far from nebachs and if anyone is a nebach it’s those within the cult.

    b) To tell those considering leaving, that there is real hope out there, there is a life to be had after the pain and differing you endured, some mental pain only, while some physical pain, as some parents still think this is the 1800’s and forgot you will get thrown in jail for hitting a person, you child or someone else’s, (will anyone ever expose the physical abuse still going on in yeshiva’s or is that ok because it’s a rabbi that’s administering the spanking?).

    c) To give the yentas something to do, you can now get on your phones, make a three way call so you can have 2 other yentas on the line, then try to review all weddings of the past few months, and narrow down what girls left early, maybe it’s Ruchie, no maybe it’s Sheindy nah it can’t be, no It must be Malkie no but she always reads the Tzena Rena and wears extra thick shtrimp etc.

    d) To give the vaad more work, now that they read this story, they can, ban women from going to malls, ban women from having keys to a office, and force people to end weddings early or force girls to bring their mom to all weddings, all the while wondering “I wish she would of posted the name of this lounge she went too, I’d love to hook up with some nice girls”.

    Have a Happy Chanukah everyone, the main thing is, be happy, living in misery so someone else is happy, is borderline psychotic.

    • December 16, 2012 at 4:36 am

      I feel sorry that u never gotvthe real taste of judaism.n chassidus the way its.meant to be m known. Y dont you talk about the great organizations.we started. Yes i say we started,.Hatzola, Bikur Cholim, Shomrim, Gemachs.og all kinds, and many many more. While we have our token of radicals,extremists and narrowinded individuals,.but hey which society n cultures dont have them too? I was birn n nred in Willy, multiple times married, took on the big machers n knockers in disputes when i had to, but i did not run away n leave a beautiful warm n honest lifestyle thay H has given us

      • December 25, 2012 at 5:50 pm

        im really sorry u took her very wrong she didnt say anything is wrong and yes im sure she agrees that we do a lot of goods but we might do lots of damage as well and thats what goto be fixed

    • December 16, 2012 at 4:44 am

      I feel sorry that u never gotvthe real taste of judaism.n chassidus the way its.meant to be m known. Y dont you talk about the great organizations.we started. Yes i say we started,.Hatzola, Bikur Cholim, Shomrim, Gemachs.og all kinds, and many many more. While we have our token of radicals,extremists and narrowinded individuals,.but hey which society n cultures dont have them too? I was birn n nred in Willy, multiple times married, took on the big machers n knockers in disputes when i had to, but i did not run away n leave a beautiful warm n honest lifestyle thay H has given us . Yes i know that there are dishonest n corrupted individuals amongst us, but that still does mot define us as a whole. Btw i put myself thru college n got a degree , lest u think im a brainwashed or subjugated woman. I wonder y you could not find the peace m freedom you write of within our yiddishkeit. I hope i did not offend you, i would love to befrend you. Starbucks.n chat?

    • December 16, 2012 at 10:53 am

      So sorry to read your comment..however, having grown up in a place you despised…I am sorry to say that you only speak for a small percentage of girls or boys who come from homes where parents are robots and follow blindly. Most of us, including myself had wonderful parents who guided us and taught us right from wrong. We had a radio, read…etc. I am not saying that every parent allowed for that, but that still would not give you or anyone “permission”, yes I said it permission to leave the faith and become mechalel shabbos.
      There are many options for those who feel they need a broader yiddishkeit and it is available to them. We have hundreds, yes hundreds of kids with degrees in various fields, making a nice living.We are not a closed minded community, like you wish to state and make a Chillul Hashem by besmirching us to the world out there.
      Yes, we have all kinds of crazies out there…but what society doesn’t? I don’t know what type of home you came from, and I know they exist…of course they do…but they are not the MAJORITY, THEY ARE THE MINORITY…
      YES….I’M sure there are girls and boys who are not happy living within “this” community…I don’t doubt it….
      It’s a pity they don’t actually discuss it with their parents in a nice way and allow for some “changes …you be surprised today how many understand that not everyone can adhere to the very strict rules and would give leeway instead of losing their child to the outside world and as seen by you ….to Yiddishkeit.
      We love all our children. I am a grandmother with grandchildren…my friends are all of the same understanding as I am..
      I wish you could have made a decision to go for all those things you wanted, like education….whatever it is that you wanted within the framework of yiddishkeit….because we all know, you can. You chose to go away out of rebellion to the Ribbono shel Oilem and for that you will have to pack cheshbon one day. It is between the One Above and you…nobody else. We still love you all the same. I have close family members in your shoes…We all have bechira when we are handed things that don’t seem to conform with our “feelings”. Life is tough and there are many challenges to handle. That is what Hashem wants of us and a time to test our faith. It is not random that he chose to put you into your family. Knowing your nature, it was something Hashem chose for you to see where you want to take all this….and you made your choice…however, it does not have to be permanent..Hashem is waiting for you…for me…for all of us …to do what he wants and what the Torah asks of us.
      I love you, you are one of us…a loving yiddishe daughter of our NATION…and that will never change. You are welcome to come back whenever your seichel will dictate that your “kind of happiness and freedom” in the end…is no freedom at all.
      Every freedom needs rules…otherwise it is not freedom, it is chaos!!!
      Love you.

      • December 18, 2012 at 10:15 am

        Dear loving yiddishkeit,
        Your words were very poignant,true and loving!! U couldnt of ssaid then any better or add on to them. I work with teens that already have risked. My goal is to re-introduce them to the beauty if our yiddishkeit and the richness our religion represents that. To FmrHassidicGirl i say,”you can have ut all” abd u dont have to leave yiddishkeit at all. I had to brave a community when i divorced for the 2nd time, and married again, i put myself thry college n earned a degree in psychology . Yes there r some in thw box,rigid,.narrowminded and fanatics between us, and therefore do i have to Theo w everything away.that was taught just because i dreamed of mire?? Thats y i have to throw away.a loving GD n his torah? And no, I dont profess to undetstand and love everything he send my way. However, i do believe that all we gi through is ;growing pains”. For those looking for answers n support, try me. I can be reached.a: Where Every Neshoma is A Valued Member!!!

      • December 19, 2012 at 9:50 am

        Oh nebech on you, and you don’t even know what a nebech, I pray for you on the few like you the rbs”o shall open your eyes and shall be zocha to thshuva sleima, something went wrong with those “few” fall outs, flups, or you are just a bunch of superficial people, no thinking, don’t like chasidim, go lirvisch, American, still Moshe Ames vtorusu ames idivrei chachumim ames

      • December 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm

        FMRHassidicGirl: Yesher koach.

        loving yiddishkeit: Pathetic and utterly predictable.

        “I am not saying that every parent allowed for that, but that still would not give you or anyone “permission”, yes I said it permission to leave the faith and become mechalel shabbos.”

        She doesn’t need your permission.

        @Sara: “Whether you like it or not you still have an obligation to keep Shabbos, eat kosher,and keep the mitzvos.”

        It’s none of your business and not your place to say.

  • December 13, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Why does anyone need a Vaad Hatzniyus at all?

    How about every mother and father is the Vaad Hatzniyus for their own family?

    That’s they way it’s been for millenia. This Vaad is a new, corrupt organization and should be done away with, forever.

  • December 13, 2012 at 8:26 am

    While I can’t speak about this parsha about the causes, or what the issues were because I really dont know the details of this parsha or what exacerbated this story One thing I can say is that there are some in the community who are lunatics and are hellbent on being idiots.It seems sheer lunacy to abuse someone or hurt someone because of their outspoken nature. Nuchem Rosenberg has a right to speak . freedom of expression is the idea that every individual should be able to decide for him or herself which opinions and information are of value and worth sharing with others.a community should not impose on its members a duty to express information or opinions which they do not support or consider false or useless. There are a number of men in the community who can’t conceive other people as having open minds, who think they have the exclusive rights to a culture of thinking and that talking about things considered controversial topics is exclusive of ambition, independence, and intelligence. All this has to change and it will change we live in america not a gulag or under some dictatorship. It seems sheer lunacy to abuse someone because he talks, you dont have to listen to him, dont listen to his hotline or dont read his blogs, but you have no right to abuse him or do violant things to him, this attitudes and behavior has to change and will change god willing

  • December 13, 2012 at 9:01 am

    With other types of mafia, police ultimately want to nab the bosses, not only the middlemen or small fry.

  • December 13, 2012 at 9:28 am

    How come we putting a man in jail for 117 years w/o any deviance any witness any videos any DNA? is this called justice??? its 3 times worse then a murder. so any girl can make a false story on any men & can be locked down for life, can anybody please explain me that?

    • December 16, 2012 at 4:24 am

      Do u really think that a jury of 12 +4 others convicted a man without evidence “beyond reasonable.doubt”. No there was no DNA. What do u expect from a child of 13? U think she ran to a hospital n had them collect dna? Did she even know that she can do that? Which guy when he has illegal or immoral physical relations with a minor.has a witness standing by so that he can later testify in his favor? Do u thinl he would install videos n tape.himself? Y so that.he really can incriminate himself? Were you sleeping when u posted these questions?? Btw a guy that surveillance cameras suggested to weberman he should install.them. His respinse was “Ich darf dus.nisht”! Ha ha.can u now guess why? While i feel sorry.for weberman that he wont see the light of freedim for a long time (never mind that i should reserve my pity for all the other victims) i really do feel sorry.for him. I feel sorry that his ego got a.hold of him,.n he banked on the fact if what his reputation was in the community versas the rep his victims family has. He was offered of 5 years which he should.have grabbed. His lawyer would have knocked it diwn to 2 1/2 years because of his record as a first time offense, leader,.he didnt have proper training,.he made a mistake, he is willing to give victim money for real therapy…….. He would have gitten out in 18 months on good behavior!!!! He betrayed his wife.m children by putting them thru this.horrible trial where so much shmutz came out!! The chillul hashem is so gevaldig. All because he did nit have an ounce of humility.

  • December 18, 2012 at 9:03 am

    According to the DA Charles Hynes (expressed on the Zev Brenner show after the verdict) it was her words against his and the jury chose to believe her because

    1) The DA found a receipt of a lingerie store that was charged to his non profit credit card.
    2) He admitted using his non profit charity for his personal gain.
    3) He admitted taking the girl upstate for a full day.

    I’m not going to argue that the abuse did or did not happen, no one was there besides the accuser and the accused and no one can argue for certain either way. I beleive the DA did a great job in character assassination while the defense did a poor job in response.

    let’s evaluate the 3 points mentioned by the DA Charles Hynes.
    1) lingerie was bought on his credit card. He was helping troubled girls, couldn’t it be that he gave his credit card for one of the girls to get herself some undergarments? Besides the media played up this lingerie story while no one bothered to check out the store in question. The store is a heimishe local store that does not welcome men and does not sell immodest clothing as implied.

    2) I don’t know if his non profit organization did any good, but it’s a sad truth that many in our community use non profits to cheat on their taxes. Does this say that anyone who does this is guilty for whatever they are accused of?

    3) Spending a full day upstate. I don’t know much details about this but i can only add my assumption that this was on a Sunday camp visiting day up to the Catskills. The accuser was assigned to Mr. Weberman by the school to guide her and watch her. She probably wanted to go visit some friends and only way she was allowed to do that is by having someone supervise her all the time. Some might disagree with these methods when it’s applied to a rebellious girl but you would all agree that sometimes such supervision is warranted. unfortunately her school had no women driver’s they could entrust with this task, because most hassidic women don’t drive.

    in closing arguments, I will admit why I came to the defense of Mr. Weberman. Mr. Weberman opened a branch of Touro College in Boro Park called “Mechon Leparnoso”. He not only opened it, he also was there to coach and encourage the young hasidim to get a higher education. It is because of him that I’m enjoying a professional career.

    That’s why I would like to believe he is innocent.

    wrote this from my phone I hope it’s readable.

    • December 18, 2012 at 3:14 pm

      Your defense if weberman is commendable!So lets start wuth your last comment first. He opened Touo College, really now? a first, but i will definitely check it out. Having daid that, let me pise a question to you, “why exactly did he nit avail himself of some professional courses they iffer? Y did he not learn about professional ethics n morals on how to conduct proper therapy? Yes they teach u that, That Professional Therapy never takes more than an hour tops hour n half!!! Which therapist takes his client for a 14 hour ride?? And charges for that, that is 14 weeks of therap. And when the mother questioned him what about yichud, he had the unmitigated gall to demand a written apology foe questioning his abidance of halacha. And that dumb mother write him a letter if apology!!!!! But then again according to weberman yichud is a non issue since its not by torah not by bible made laws (his wirds verbatim i heard it frim his own mouth) .hashem yishmor my only regret is that.i.did.not jump up n yell out loud in defense of the torah.n scream “you rusha you apikores”!!!! But to my fault i did not want to be taken out of the room,.my the better if me. Her father drives, he could n would have taken her, but no webman with his devious mund convinced father that he can give her loads of therapy, hey 14 hours of secluded time unimpeded uninterrupted is not something the yetzer hora would allow to pass up! As far as charles hynes he had to say that on zev brenner show he still needs our yiddish vote! He really tried to see that weberman should come out guilty, y was the warrant to check his apartment signed n conducted.8 days after his arrest? Si that weberman should have ample time to take out the incriminating evidence: porn film, bed n pictures. By the time the warrant n search was conducted, the only incriminating evidence was the 4 locks on the door!!! Please call any professional.n ask them if the have more than 1 lock or even that at all. While u doing your investigation find out how.many therapists provide sleeping accommodations for their underage clients to the tune if 2+ years. Sleeping to his.own apartment that.has a connecting door! What a convenient mitzva!!!! His defense did a poor.job, by letting this go to trial!!! So dont assume anything,.because as the saying goes it”makes an ass out if” pardon my boldness. As u say in your comments u dont have all the facts. Its a disgrace how weberman tore our community.apart with his chillul.hashem n the shmutz that came out during testimony. Last but.not least, dont hide under your initials MP. What are u or of whom are you scared? Say what u mean, mean what u say, but dont say it mean,.n back.up your saying your name.

  • December 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Dear FmrHassidicGirl,
    I feel sad that you never figured out a way of remaining frum while achieving all of your educational, vocational, and life’s goals. I have been able to do so but I can from a non chassidic frum home.Whether you like it or not you still have an obligation to keep Shabbos, eat kosher,and keep the mitzvos.Frum ladies today can be doctors, lawyers, and business owners. Don’t throw out the “Baby”(The Torah) with “the bath water”( the chassidic minhagin). Our community needs your courage, your determination, and your abilities.May G-d bless you and help you find true happiness with Torah values.Hatlacha Rabba!


  • December 26, 2012 at 7:21 am

    I attended Machon Lparnasa. First time I am hearing that Weberman had any affiliation with Machon Lparnasa. Highly doubtful that it is true. I always knew that Esther Braun was the founder had when I attended 2002-2004 she was very involved.

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